Crash on Startup

[w***@public.gmane.org]

Was using Nedit 5.5 on fresh FC13 install. Nedit was working fine as usual, until a couple weeks ago. After some FC13 updates (not sure which one(s) was/were the culprit), nedit now locks up the PC when nedit is launched. Doesn't matter whether it starts from command line or from a file association in nautilus. The window starts to draw (just the window outline, background and menu bar, no menu bar text, no window title, no window resize/close buttons, no text at all). Believe it is crashing X, not the entire PC, as I have seen disk activity after the lockup, but cannot bail from/restart X without rebooting. I have to reboot the PC via reset button or power cycle.

Tried uninstall/reinstall via yum to no avail. Also was not able to compile from source, but I gave up after a just couple of attempts to resolve missing files. A search of the archives hasn't turned up a fix. Have used Nedit for over a decade and hate to switch. Any clues? Am running an AMD dual core x64 processor and gnome. The FC13 install package as reported by yum info is:

Name : nedit
Arch : x86_64
Version : 5.5
Release : 22.fc12
Size : 489 k
Repo : fedora

Seems odd the release is fc12 and not fc13....

Any info is appreciated. TIA
-Paul

[Charles Cossé]

Hi, i would check your motif library version ... just a guess
-C

Post by w***@public.gmane.org
Was using Nedit 5.5 on fresh FC13 install. Nedit was working fine as
usual, until a couple weeks ago. After some FC13 updates (not sure which
one(s) was/were the culprit), nedit now locks up the PC when nedit is
launched. Doesn't matter whether it starts from command line or from a file
association in nautilus. The window starts to draw (just the window outline,
background and menu bar, no menu bar text, no window title, no window
resize/close buttons, no text at all). Believe it is crashing X, not the
entire PC, as I have seen disk activity after the lockup, but cannot bail
from/restart X without rebooting. I have to reboot the PC via reset button
or power cycle.
Tried uninstall/reinstall via yum to no avail. Also was not able to
compile from source, but I gave up after a just couple of attempts to
resolve missing files. A search of the archives hasn't turned up a fix.
Have used Nedit for over a decade and hate to switch. Any clues? Am
running an AMD dual core x64 processor and gnome. The FC13 install package
Name : nedit
Arch : x86_64
Version : 5.5
Release : 22.fc12
Size : 489 k
Repo : fedora
Seems odd the release is fc12 and not fc13....
Any info is appreciated. TIA
-Paul
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[Carlo Graziani]

Post by w***@public.gmane.org
Was using Nedit 5.5 on fresh FC13 install. Nedit was working fine as usual, until a couple weeks ago. After some FC13 updates (not sure which one(s) was/were the culprit), nedit now locks up the PC when nedit is launched. Doesn't matter whether it starts from command line or from a file association in nautilus. The window starts to draw (just the window outline, background and menu bar, no menu bar text, no window title, no window resize/close buttons, no text at all). Believe it is crashing X, not the entire PC, as I have seen disk activity after the lockup, but cannot bail from/restart X without rebooting. I have to reboot the PC via reset button or power cycle.
Name : nedit
Arch : x86_64
Version : 5.5
Release : 22.fc12
Size : 489 k
Repo : fedora
Seems odd the release is fc12 and not fc13....
Any info is appreciated. TIA
-Paul

One possibility is that the update brought in a new X driver for your
video hardware, and it's either buggy or the xorg.conf file is misconfigured.
Depending on your video hardware vendor (Nvidia, ATI, Intel...) you may
be able to swap out Fedora's distributed driver for a (probably binary) vendor-
supplied one, at least for testing purposes. If the lockups go away
you at least know that the X driver system was partly to blame. If they
don't, you can start focusing on libraries, or stracing nedit, etc.
If it is the video driver/hardware, it is unlikely that only Nedit breaks
it. I've seen recent cases of Flash and Javascript apps in Firefox lock
up video hardware -- just scrolling up and down on a Facebook page could
do it. Have you tried other video-intensive tasks, like streaming from
a webcam, or watching a movie?
Carlo

Incidentally, if you post here the contents of /var/log/yum.log (just
the lines starting at the update), we could pore over the updated
packages and see if we can blame one of them.

Carlo
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[w***@public.gmane.org]

The motif version is:

lesstif-0.95.2

-Paul

Post by Charles Cossé
Hi, i would check your motif library version ... just a guess
-C

Post by w***@public.gmane.org
Was using Nedit 5.5 on fresh FC13 install. Nedit was working fine as
usual, until a couple weeks ago. After some FC13 updates (not sure which
one(s) was/were the culprit), nedit now locks up the PC when nedit is
launched. Doesn't matter whether it starts from command line or from a file
association in nautilus. The window starts to draw (just the window outline,
background and menu bar, no menu bar text, no window title, no window
resize/close buttons, no text at all). Believe it is crashing X, not the
entire PC, as I have seen disk activity after the lockup, but cannot bail
from/restart X without rebooting. I have to reboot the PC via reset button
or power cycle.
Tried uninstall/reinstall via yum to no avail. Also was not able to
compile from source, but I gave up after a just couple of attempts to
resolve missing files. A search of the archives hasn't turned up a fix.
Have used Nedit for over a decade and hate to switch. Any clues? Am
running an AMD dual core x64 processor and gnome. The FC13 install package
Name : nedit
Arch : x86_64
Version : 5.5
Release : 22.fc12
Size : 489 k
Repo : fedora
Seems odd the release is fc12 and not fc13....
Any info is appreciated. TIA
-Paul
--

[Charles Cossé]

Paul,
did lesstif get updated when you did your updates?
I use openmotif since a long time (used to use lesstif, but openmotif seems
to have taken over) ... I would switch to openmotif if I were you.
Every problem of this sort I've ever had (12 yrs using Nedit) has been due
to motif libs. Maybe also check integrity of dynamic links in
/usr/lib/wherever-libXm's are ...
-Charles

Post by w***@public.gmane.org
lesstif-0.95.2
-Paul

Post by Charles Cossé
Hi, i would check your motif library version ... just a guess
-C

Post by w***@public.gmane.org
Was using Nedit 5.5 on fresh FC13 install. Nedit was working fine as
usual, until a couple weeks ago. After some FC13 updates (not sure

which

Post by Charles Cossé

Post by w***@public.gmane.org
one(s) was/were the culprit), nedit now locks up the PC when nedit is
launched. Doesn't matter whether it starts from command line or from a

file

Post by Charles Cossé

Post by w***@public.gmane.org
association in nautilus. The window starts to draw (just the window

outline,

Post by Charles Cossé

Post by w***@public.gmane.org
background and menu bar, no menu bar text, no window title, no window
resize/close buttons, no text at all). Believe it is crashing X, not

the

Post by Charles Cossé

Post by w***@public.gmane.org
entire PC, as I have seen disk activity after the lockup, but cannot

bail

Post by Charles Cossé

Post by w***@public.gmane.org
from/restart X without rebooting. I have to reboot the PC via reset

button

Post by Charles Cossé

Post by w***@public.gmane.org
or power cycle.
Tried uninstall/reinstall via yum to no avail. Also was not able to
compile from source, but I gave up after a just couple of attempts to
resolve missing files. A search of the archives hasn't turned up a fix.
Have used Nedit for over a decade and hate to switch. Any clues? Am
running an AMD dual core x64 processor and gnome. The FC13 install

package

Post by Charles Cossé

Post by w***@public.gmane.org
Name : nedit
Arch : x86_64
Version : 5.5
Release : 22.fc12
Size : 489 k
Repo : fedora
Seems odd the release is fc12 and not fc13....
Any info is appreciated. TIA
-Paul
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[Carlo Graziani]

Post by w***@public.gmane.org
Was using Nedit 5.5 on fresh FC13 install. Nedit was working fine as usual, until a couple weeks ago. After some FC13 updates (not sure which one(s) was/were the culprit), nedit now locks up the PC when nedit is launched. Doesn't matter whether it starts from command line or from a file association in nautilus. The window starts to draw (just the window outline, background and menu bar, no menu bar text, no window title, no window resize/close buttons, no text at all). Believe it is crashing X, not the entire PC, as I have seen disk activity after the lockup, but cannot bail from/restart X without rebooting. I have to reboot the PC via reset button or power cycle.
Name : nedit
Arch : x86_64
Version : 5.5
Release : 22.fc12
Size : 489 k
Repo : fedora
Seems odd the release is fc12 and not fc13....
Any info is appreciated. TIA
-Paul

One possibility is that the update brought in a new X driver for your
video hardware, and it's either buggy or the xorg.conf file is misconfigured.
Depending on your video hardware vendor (Nvidia, ATI, Intel...) you may
be able to swap out Fedora's distributed driver for a (probably binary) vendor-
supplied one, at least for testing purposes. If the lockups go away
you at least know that the X driver system was partly to blame. If they
don't, you can start focusing on libraries, or stracing nedit, etc.

If it is the video driver/hardware, it is unlikely that only Nedit breaks
it. I've seen recent cases of Flash and Javascript apps in Firefox lock
up video hardware -- just scrolling up and down on a Facebook page could
do it. Have you tried other video-intensive tasks, like streaming from
a webcam, or watching a movie?

Carlo
--
Carlo Graziani [phone] (Voice)
Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics [phone] (FAX)
University of Chicago -------------------------------------
5640 South Ellis Avenue | When the capital development of a country
Chicago, IL 60637 | becomes a by-product of the activities of
carlo-***@public.gmane.org | a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done.
| -- J.M. Keynes, 1936

[Aaron W. Hsu]

Hey Paul,

You've mentioned that you are using LessTif and FC13. A few things that
I've encountered lately and not so lately that might be to blame:

1) I've never had luck with anything that links against LessTif. Lockups
are one of the common results that I encounter when using LessTif
programs. To this end, I always replace all the programs linked to
LessTif with OpenMotif based ones. I find them to be much more reliable.

2) You should make sure that LessTif is really the library that nedit
uses using 'ldd'. FC13 does come with OpenMotif, I think, so it wouldn't
be surprising to find a version on there as well. Version 2.2 of
OpenMotif never really worked very well, and the only really stable
version is 2.1 (though I use 2.3 currently, and it's stable "enough").
Either way, it might be good to see if you have any conflicts there.

3) There were some recent X.org updates that some distributions sent out
which caused major problems with my Motif based applications, where mwm
and other programs would freeze up the whole system do to some bad loop
in the X.org system. I have a patch for the X.org that is distributed
for Slackware64 13.1, but I don't know that this will help you much.
However, you might want to check whether you have one of these versions.
My X.org server version is 1.7.7.

4) Others have mentioned graphics drivers, and that's a very good place
to look.

5) I have had troubles with the precompiled nedit versions, and so I
usually compile myself from CVS. Make sure that you have the devel
packages for motif installed, and then nedit should compile fairly
painlessly.

Aaron W. Hsu

Post by w***@public.gmane.org
Was using Nedit 5.5 on fresh FC13 install. Nedit was working fine as usual, until a couple weeks ago. After some FC13 updates (not sure which one(s) was/were the culprit), nedit now locks up the PC when nedit is launched. Doesn't matter whether it starts from command line or from a file association in nautilus. The window starts to draw (just the window outline, background and menu bar, no menu bar text, no window title, no window resize/close buttons, no text at all). Believe it is crashing X, not the entire PC, as I have seen disk activity after the lockup, but cannot bail from/restart X without rebooting. I have to reboot the PC via reset button or power cycle.
Name : nedit
Arch : x86_64
Version : 5.5
Release : 22.fc12
Size : 489 k
Repo : fedora
Seems odd the release is fc12 and not fc13....
Any info is appreciated. TIA
-Paul
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