Is there an intent to distribute a Linux-x86_64 binary?

[ERSEK Laszlo]

Hi,

may I ask what the status/policy on centrally distributing a Linux-x86_64
binary is? I just checked

http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/editors/nedit/NEdit/v5_5/executables/

and I found no such distribution. I've found some relevant messages / bugs
on the net:

http://www.nedit.org/pipermail/discuss/2005-August/007508.html
http://www.nedit.org/pipermail/develop/2008-March/014460.html
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=111005&aid=1490741&group_id=11005

It seems to me that when these messages were written, nedit was already 64
bit clean, and the only cause for the missing Linux-x86_64 binary package
was the (perceived) lack of a 64 bit OpenMotif 2.1 library.

A few months ago, I downloaded a binary 64 bit OpenMotif-2.1.32 package
from

http://www.ist.co.uk/DOWNLOADS/motif_download.html

specifically the "Linux - 64-bit (SuSE 9.2 (Linux 2.6.5))" version.
(Running "curl -I" now on the package's URL says "Last-Modified: Mon, 26
Nov 2007 17:50:22 GMT".)

I extracted (not installed) the .rpm archive on the Debian Etch (and
later, Lenny) system in question and compiled nedit-5.5 from source
against it. It works flawlessly. "nedit -V" says (run as a remote X
client):

NEdit 5.5
Sep 30, 2004

Built on: Linux, x86-64, GNU C
Built at: Sep 13 2008, 13:06:35
With Motif: 2.1.32 [@(#)Motif Version 2.1.32]
Running Motif: 2.1 [unknown]
Server: The Cygwin/X Project 10503000
Visual: 32-bit TrueColor (ID 0x3a)
Locale: C

The IST site states: "OpenMotif at any version is only available under the
terms of the Open Group license"
(http://www.opengroup.org/openmotif/license/). Does this license allow
nedit.org to distribute a statically linked 64 bit binary? I would think
so, since I seem to remember that the Linux-x86 (32 bit) distribution is
already statically linked against OpenMotif-2.1.30.

Thanks,
lacos

[Joerg Fischer]

Post by ERSEK Laszlo
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=111005&aid=1490741&group_id=11005
It seems to me that when these messages were written, nedit was already 64
bit clean, and the only cause for the missing Linux-x86_64 binary package
was the (perceived) lack of a 64 bit OpenMotif 2.1 library.

Well, I just compiled a 64bit Linux version, and except for the
warnings about casting pointers to int mentioned in the link to the sf
tracker you posted, it works fine.

Post by ERSEK Laszlo
The IST site states: "OpenMotif at any version is only available under the
terms of the Open Group license"
(http://www.opengroup.org/openmotif/license/). Does this license allow
nedit.org to distribute a statically linked 64 bit binary?

The OM license restricts the use of OM to some operating systems,
which makes it a non-free license. As long as you restrict to such
operating systems, you are allowed to use OM with no further
restrictions. However, this in itself doesn't allow you to distribute
executables of some other program linked with the OM libs, since this
other program might have a license, too ;-)

For this reason NEdit's license was changed some time ago, so you may
distribute such executables. This is the part

"In addition, as a special exception to the GNU GPL, the copyright
holders give permission to link the code of this program with the
Motif and Open Motif libraries (or with modified versions of these
that use the same license), and distribute linked combinations
including the two. You must obey the GNU General Public License
in all respects for all of the code used other than linking with
Motif/Open Motif. ..."

which you find under Help -> Version.

--Jörg

[ERSEK Laszlo]

Post by Joerg Fischer
Well, I just compiled a 64bit Linux version, and except for the
warnings about casting pointers to int mentioned in the link to the sf
tracker you posted, it works fine.
[...]
For this reason NEdit's license was changed some time ago, so you may
distribute such executables.

Thanks. So now that there is no technical nor legal obstacle to
distribute a Linux-x86_64 binary statically linked with OpenMotif-2.1,
I'd like to repeat my original question: is there an intent to make such
a binary available under http://www.nedit.org/ftp/v5_5/executables/ and
its mirrors?

Or should I ask this on develop@?

Thanks,
lacos

[Scott Tringali]

Post by ERSEK Laszlo
Thanks. So now that there is no technical nor legal obstacle to
distribute a Linux-x86_64 binary statically linked with OpenMotif-2.1,
I'd like to repeat my original question: is there an intent to make such
a binary available under http://www.nedit.org/ftp/v5_5/executables/ and
its mirrors?

If someone built it, and it works on a wide variety of distros, then we
can certainly put it up there. Can't dynmically link Motif for that
reason, and now libXp has been deprecated so that may have to go in
there too.

[ERSEK Laszlo]

Thanks. So now that there is no technical nor legal obstacle to distribute
a Linux-x86_64 binary statically linked with OpenMotif-2.1, I'd like to
repeat my original question: is there an intent to make such a binary
available under http://www.nedit.org/ftp/v5_5/executables/ and its mirrors?

If someone built it, and it works on a wide variety of distros, then we can
certainly put it up there. Can't dynmically link Motif for that reason, and
now libXp has been deprecated so that may have to go in there too.

Dear users and developers, can you please check this?

http://lacos.web.elte.hu/pub/nedit-5.5-Linux-x86_64/

Below, I include the README from the above directory.

Thanks,
lacos


Archive contents
----------------

drwxr-xr-x lacos/users 0 2009-03-13 15:15 nedit-5.5-Linux-x86_64/
-rw-r--r-- lacos/users 234853 2004-09-30 23:03 nedit-5.5-Linux-x86_64/nedit.doc
-r-xr-xr-x lacos/users 32272 2009-03-13 14:30 nedit-5.5-Linux-x86_64/nc
-rw-r--r-- lacos/users 27239 2004-09-30 22:51 nedit-5.5-Linux-x86_64/ReleaseNotes
-rw-r--r-- lacos/users 15008 2001-07-07 11:54 nedit-5.5-Linux-x86_64/COPYRIGHT
-rw-r--r-- lacos/users 253443 2004-09-30 23:03 nedit-5.5-Linux-x86_64/nedit.html
-rw-r--r-- lacos/users 50913 2002-12-13 18:20 nedit-5.5-Linux-x86_64/faq.txt
-rw-r--r-- lacos/users 11897 2004-09-30 23:03 nedit-5.5-Linux-x86_64/nc.man
-rw-r--r-- lacos/users 15425 2004-09-30 23:03 nedit-5.5-Linux-x86_64/nedit.man
-r-xr-xr-x lacos/users 3150144 2009-03-13 14:30 nedit-5.5-Linux-x86_64/nedit
-rw-r--r-- lacos/users 28121 2004-09-30 22:52 nedit-5.5-Linux-x86_64/README


Executables
-----------

nedit: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped
nc: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped


Shared library dependencies
---------------------------

nedit:
libXpm.so.4 => /usr/lib/libXpm.so.4 (0x00002b9233d2a000)
libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x00002b9233e3a000)
libXt.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x00002b9233f4c000)
libSM.so.6 => /usr/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x00002b92340ac000)
libICE.so.6 => /usr/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x00002b92341b6000)
libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x00002b92342d2000)
libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x00002b92344db000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x00002b923465d000)
libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXau.so.6 (0x00002b923489b000)
libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6 (0x00002b923499d000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x00002b9234aa2000)
/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00002b9233c12000)
nc:
libXpm.so.4 => /usr/lib/libXpm.so.4 (0x00002b617a194000)
libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x00002b617a2a4000)
libXt.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x00002b617a3b6000)
libSM.so.6 => /usr/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x00002b617a516000)
libICE.so.6 => /usr/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x00002b617a620000)
libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x00002b617a73c000)
libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x00002b617a945000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x00002b617aac7000)
libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXau.so.6 (0x00002b617ad05000)
libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6 (0x00002b617ae07000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x00002b617af0c000)
/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00002b617a07c000)


NEdit version
-------------

NEdit 5.5
Sep 30, 2004

Built on: Linux, x86-64, GNU C
Built at: Mar 13 2009, 14:20:46
With Motif: 2.1.32 [@(#)Motif Version 2.1.32]
Running Motif: 2.1 [unknown]
Server: The Cygwin/X Project 10503000
Visual: 32-bit TrueColor (ID 0x3a)
Locale: C


OpenMotif version
-----------------
OpenMotif-2.1.32-2_IST.x86_64
(http://www.ist.co.uk/DOWNLOADS/motif_download.html)

[Peter Ragosch]

Am Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:01:48 +0100 (CET)

Post by ERSEK Laszlo
Dear users and developers, can you please check this?
http://lacos.web.elte.hu/pub/nedit-5.5-Linux-x86_64/
Below, I include the README from the above directory.

Running the executable on
BS: Linux 2.6.27.19-3.2-default x86_64
System: openSUSE 11.1 (x86_64)
KDE: 3.5.10 "release 42"
does not sufficient work.

Several comments via menu like
Save Defaults, Save, Save as and other
forces a crash (application close) as well as starting nedit from
command line with a non existing file.

The typically displayed error is as follows:

***@raven:~> nedit
nedit: the current locale is utf8 (de_DE.UTF-8)
nedit: changed locale to non-utf8 (de_DE)
X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range
for operation) Major opcode of failed request: 91 (X_QueryColors)
Value in failed request: 0xffefefef
Serial number of failed request: 5127
Current serial number in output stream: 5127

Where the number (here 5127) is changed every time.
What can I do ?
Any help'd be appreciated.

[ERSEK Laszlo]

Post by Peter Ragosch
nedit: the current locale is utf8 (de_DE.UTF-8)
nedit: changed locale to non-utf8 (de_DE)

Try running nedit as in

LC_ALL=C nedit

AFAIK nedit doesn't support UTF-8 locales, and if the above de_DE locale
is just an alias to de_DE.UTF-8, then nedit didn't switch to a non-UTF-8
locale, and that might have caused the crash. Perhaps.

If you want nedit to be able to convert German characters to upper and
lower case (eg. ä/Ä), you need to install a de_DE locale with ISO8859-1
encoding, then select it before you run nedit, as in (at least)

export LC_CTYPE=de_DE.ISO8859-1

If you invoke "sort" from nedit, this should be useful too:

export LC_COLLATE=de_DE.ISO8859-1

You can verify your locale settings by running "locale". LANG provides a
default for unset LC_* variables (locale categories), and LC_ALL
overrides all LC_* variables.

Generating and installing a locale is distribution-specific, your distro
probably has some wrapper around localedef.

lacos

[Peter Ragosch]

Hi ERSEK Laszlo,
many thanks for your hints.
I'm aware that nedit doesn't support UTF8 at all. But I didn't want
to go back from UTF8 system wide. nedit worked without any problem on
openSuSE 11.0 x86_32. Whereat nedit said 'changed locale to non-utf8
(de_DE)' after each start, which was expected, but it doesn't crash.

Now, with openSuSE 11.1 x86_64, nedit shows the new behaviour (*) and
that is the reason why I'm a bit surprised.


Am Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:36:33 +0100

Post by ERSEK Laszlo

Post by Peter Ragosch
nedit: the current locale is utf8 (de_DE.UTF-8)
nedit: changed locale to non-utf8 (de_DE)

Try running nedit as in
LC_ALL=C nedit
export LC_CTYPE=de_DE.ISO8859-1
export LC_COLLATE=de_DE.ISO8859-1
You can verify your locale settings by running "locale". LANG
provides a default for unset LC_* variables (locale categories), and
LC_ALL overrides all LC_* variables.
Generating and installing a locale is distribution-specific, your
distro probably has some wrapper around localedef.
lacos

Today I did the following in a shell:

***@raven:~ # localedef -i de_DE -f ISO-8859-1 de_DE.ISO-8859-1

***@raven:~ # ls /usr/lib/locale/de_DE.*
/usr/lib/locale/de_DE.iso88591: (generated today)
LC_ADDRESS LC_IDENTIFICATION LC_MONETARY LC_PAPER
LC_COLLATE LC_MEASUREMENT LC_NAME LC_TELEPHONE
LC_CTYPE LC_MESSAGES LC_NUMERIC LC_TIME

/usr/lib/locale/de_DE.utf8:
LC_ADDRESS LC_IDENTIFICATION LC_MONETARY LC_PAPER
LC_COLLATE LC_MEASUREMENT LC_NAME LC_TELEPHONE
LC_CTYPE LC_MESSAGES LC_NUMERIC LC_TIME

Now set the language and start nedit as user:

***@raven:~> export LC_CTYPE=de_DE.ISO-8859-1
***@raven:~> export LC_COLLATE=de_DE.ISO-8859-1
***@raven:~> locale
LANG=de_DE.ISO-8859-1
LC_CTYPE=de_DE.ISO-8859-1
LC_NUMERIC="de_DE.ISO-8859-1"
LC_TIME="de_DE.ISO-8859-1"
LC_COLLATE=de_DE.ISO-8859-1
LC_MONETARY="de_DE.ISO-8859-1"
LC_MESSAGES="de_DE.ISO-8859-1"
LC_PAPER="de_DE.ISO-8859-1"
LC_NAME="de_DE.ISO-8859-1"
LC_ADDRESS="de_DE.ISO-8859-1"
LC_TELEPHONE="de_DE.ISO-8859-1"
LC_MEASUREMENT="de_DE.ISO-8859-1"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="de_DE.ISO-8859-1"
LC_ALL=
***@raven:~> LC_ALL=C nedit

Test the nedit sort:
w
d
c
a
ä
ü
ö
Ä
Ö
Ü
W
i
gives
a
ä
Ä
c
d
i
ö
Ö
ü
Ü
w
W
and works!

Test the nedit menu:

(*) Preferences -> Save Defaults

X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range
for operation) Major opcode of failed request: 91 (X_QueryColors)
Value in failed request: 0xffefefef
Serial number of failed request: 8769
Current serial number in output stream: 8769
***@raven:~>

May be I've set the language to de_DE.ISO-8859-1 in a wrong way (syntax
taken from file /etc/sysconfig/language)?
How can I check this seriously?

I've found 'openSuSE-documentation chapter 16.4 language settings' (in
german) and http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html but both gives
no help for going back to ISO-8859-1 for one single application) that
I'm able to understand.

Please, can you give me a source where I can read more about language
settings for a dummy? (the man pages are nice but extremely hard to
understand).

My best way of learning is by an example, what result is expected, hints
for checking the result and then try and error until it works
sufficient :-)).

Kind regards
Peter

[ERSEK Laszlo]

Post by Peter Ragosch
X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range
for operation) Major opcode of failed request: 91 (X_QueryColors)
Value in failed request: 0xffefefef
Serial number of failed request: 8769
Current serial number in output stream: 8769

I guess I was wrong in my previous mail, the locale didn't cause the
crash, this did (probably). I have no idea about this -- maybe your X
server refuses the X_QueryColors operation nedit is trying to call.

http://fixunix.com/motif/526457-x_querycolors.html
http://www.xfree86.org/current/XQueryColor.3.html

Post by Peter Ragosch
Please, can you give me a source where I can read more about language
settings

From the GNU C Library Reference Manual:

http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Locales.html


The following is from the Single UNIX Specification, Version 3. Since
it's a technical standard, it's not very easy on the reader. (Still,
this is *the* standard.)

http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/basedefs/xbd_chap07.html
http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/xrat/xbd_chap07.html

lacos

[Peter Ragosch]

Am Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:17:37 +0100

Post by ERSEK Laszlo
I guess I was wrong in my previous mail, the locale didn't cause the
crash, this did (probably). I have no idea about this -- maybe your X
server refuses the X_QueryColors operation nedit is trying to call.

Well this sounds to be closer to the error message.
I'll use nedit with care and have to wait for next idea. Unfortunately
I'm not a programmer, therefore reading the source code wouldn't help.

But anyway, many thanks again for your efforts and for the links as
well.
Peter

[Peter Ragosch]

JFYI, if I run

***@raven:~> strace nedit

nedit did *not* crash.
Using the Preferences -> Save default pops-up the message about the
resource file and File -> Save as pops-up the internal file browser.

Both I've not seen before.

May be this can give anybody else a hint to find the root cause.

[Joerg Fischer]

Post by Peter Ragosch
Am Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:01:48 +0100 (CET)

Post by ERSEK Laszlo
Dear users and developers, can you please check this?
http://lacos.web.elte.hu/pub/nedit-5.5-Linux-x86_64/
Below, I include the README from the above directory.

[...]
X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range
for operation) Major opcode of failed request: 91 (X_QueryColors)

Isn't this the known problem with ARGB visuals? Try to set
XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1
or use nedit 5.6 which does this for you.

For openSUSE
http://software.opensuse.org/search?baseproject=openSUSE%3A11.1&p=1&q=nedit

(nedit-5.6 = nedit-5.5_CVS...)

Cheers,
Jörg

[Peter Ragosch]

Am Sun, 22 Mar 2009 00:10:17 +0100

Post by Joerg Fischer
Isn't this the known problem with ARGB visuals? Try to set
XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1
or use nedit 5.6 which does this for you.
For openSUSE
http://software.opensuse.org/search?baseproject=openSUSE%3A11.1&p=1&q=nedit
(nedit-5.6 = nedit-5.5_CVS...)
Cheers,
Jörg

nedit-5.5_CVS20090127-11.23.un.x86_64.rpm installed (haven't seen it
before) and now its working without any problem.

I'm really happy to be able using the _great_ nedit furthermore.

Thanks for your hint Jörg.
Bye,
Peter

[ERSEK Laszlo]

Post by Peter Ragosch
Am Sun, 22 Mar 2009 00:10:17 +0100

Post by Joerg Fischer
Isn't this the known problem with ARGB visuals? Try to set
XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1

nedit-5.5_CVS20090127-11.23.un.x86_64.rpm installed (haven't seen it
before) and now its working without any problem.
I'm really happy to be able using the _great_ nedit furthermore.

Could you please try out the binary you downloaded from my site with the
above XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 setting? As in

XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 ./nedit

If the problem goes away, then the binary on my site is not broken (in
this way, at least).

Thanks,
lacos

[Peter Ragosch]

Am Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:19:28 +0100

Post by ERSEK Laszlo
Could you please try out the binary you downloaded from my site with the
above XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 setting? As in
XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 ./nedit
If the problem goes away, then the binary on my site is not broken (in
this way, at least).
Thanks,
lacos

Dear lacos,
whatever has happened, I'm not able to recover the X Error. Sorry.

I've removed the nedit-5.5_CVS20090127-11.23.un.x86_64.rpm, reset all
language settings back to UTF8 only - no Error. I've deleted nedit.rc
because there were none before - but no Error occurs.
Running XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 ./nedit has no effect, now.
*Absolutely magic to me.*

Then I installed nedit-5.5-24.2 rpm from openSuSE and got X Error but
without any influence on running explicitly your executable.
The openSuSE nedit-5.5-24.2.rpm is obviously buggy.

Now I've reinstalled nedit-5.5_CVS20090127-11.23.un.x86_64.rpm.
This one and yours are running both without any Error, but with
different version numbers in nedit.rc, as a matter of course.
From that I would state that your binary is OK.

The only thing I've been aware is that I couldn't drop into your archive
(nedit-5.5-Linux-x86_64.tar.bz2) via Konquerror for easy extraction
nedit and nc, owner in archive is given as lacos:users. But anyway, the
archive could be opened via Ark and the files were extracted without
any error message. From that I would guess that something happened on
download I didn't noticed during extraction on the first try.
This may be not a sufficient explanation but it seems to me eminently
reasonable because I'm the only one that have had a problem with your
binaries till now.

If I can do anything else for you don't hesitate to ask again.
Bye

[ERSEK Laszlo]

Post by Peter Ragosch
From that I would state that your binary is OK.

Thanks for checking,
lacos